Friday, November 28, 2008

Addicted to Obama Birth Certificate Blogging



Each day I vow to no longer write about the controversy surrounding the birth certificate of President Elect Barack Obama and each day I break that vow after digging up some juicy tidbit. No juice today but I still can't avoid the temptation because of all the inaccurate information that I see floating around the blogospere. There appear to be many misinformed people who are in turn creating even more misinformed people so I felt a need to add my two cents on what I know to be fact, know to be rumour, and know to be pure speculation.

Early this past summer, many questioned the natural born citizenship status of Barack Obama based on three main points of reasoning.

1. Rumours abounded that Mr. Obama had been born in Mombasa, Kenya rather than Honolulu, Hawaii as recorded in his book, Dreams of My Father, and as recorded by the campaign. The only proof offered this far in connection to this theory was from an interview with Obama's paternal grandmother conducted over the telephone between two missionaries acting as translators. She referred to Obama as a "son of Kenya" and then later claimed that she witnessed his birth in Mombasa. There are also rumors of a Kenyan birth certificate that has supposedly been sealed by authorities.

2. Obama moved to Jakarta, Indonesia with his mother and stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, sometime around 1967. Mr. Soetoro registered Obama in school under the name Barry Soetoro, listing him as an Indonesian citizen with his religion as Islam. Many unknowns exist here. At the time, Indonesia did not allow foreign citizens to attend public schools. Did Mr. Soetoro adopt young Obama to allow for his education or did he only lie on the paper work to complete registration? Also at the time, Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship, although this may not have been reciprocated by the U.S. government. The question that remains is did young Obama forfeit his American citizenship to attend school in Jakarta?

3. During the campaign, when questioned about his lack of foreign policy experience, Obama replied that he had travelled to Pakistan while in college and had derived expertise from those travels. At the time, Pakistan was on the state department's do not travel list. Much speculation persists that if he travelled to Pakistan and then later India, it must have been on an Indonesian passport. This has never been confirmed.

In response to those questioning, in mid June, the Obama campaign sent a .jpg scanned Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth (COLB) to the Daily Kos. Several days later, the same image appeared on factcheck.org, politifact.com, and Obama's own site fightthesmears.com. Immediately the internet erupted with claims that the COLB was a forgery. In researching Hawaiian law, many also learned that parents who were citizens could register foreign births with the state within a year and receive the same COLB.

Many lawsuits followed insisting Obama reveal the "vault" copy or long form version of his birth certificate which shows the birth hospital, attending physician, and many other bits of information that are omitted on the COLB. Rather than submit the document, the Obama campaign repeatedly files for motions to dismiss creating another buzz of "What is he hiding?". To date, I know of at least 39 lawsuits that have been filed around the country with three currently sitting at the U.S. Supreme Court.

I'll address many of the inaccuracies I've seen floating around the internet.

1. Barack Obama is a Muslim. This is not completely accurate. Obama was born into a secular Muslim household and then later raised for several years by another secular Muslim stepfather. Apparently, very little religion was practiced at home. Obama's maternal grandparents had more influence over his life and they were atheistic. As an adult Obama attended Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ where he later married wife Michelle and where apparently he was baptized but no records have been obtained.

2. Barack Obama was born in Kenya. So far, this is only speculation. No Kenyan birth certificate or record has surfaced and no one has yet been able to obtain the travel documents of Obama's mother, Stanley Anne Dunham, from the early 60's.

3. Barack Obama is more Arab than black. I saw dozens of postings yesterday claiming that Obama's genealogy shows that he is less than 7% black and over 40% Arabic. This is nonsense. His American mother was 100% Caucasian and his father a Luo tribe member from Kenya who was a 100% black. Many of the Luo converted to Islam and adopted Arabic sounding names. That does not make them Arabic.

4. Justice Souter has ordered Obama to reply to the lawsuit filed by Phillip Berg by Dec. 1st. This again is untrue. Normal response time to any suit is 30 days. Obama may respond but he has not been ordered to respond. Additionally, Berg is only before the supreme court because lower courts ruled that he did not have legal standing. If the supreme court decided that he does have standing, then most likely the case would be referred back to the lower courts.

5. Hawaiian heath department's Dr. Fukino has verified that Obama was born in Hawaii. This is also untrue. The only thing that Dr. Fukino revealed is that she had examined the original certificate and found it authentic. She never did reveal whether the place of birth was Hawaii or Mombasa.

The real truth of the matter lies in the fact that the leader of the mightiest nation in the world should be somewhat above reproach. Many question whether Obama meets the "natural born" citizenship provision of Article II of the U.S. Constitution. The only irrefutable proof would be the review of the vault copy birth certificate by a non partisan inspector and a decision made by the U.S Supreme Court regarding the possible forfeiture of U.S. citizenship while residing in Indonesia.

This matter will never be totally settled by bloggers or defendants requesting dismissals rather than providing the proper documentation.

And I really can't help that I'm addicted to writing about this issue!

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Another thought-provoking piece, John. Keep that addiction flowing.

In response, I agree with you on #5regarding Fukino. However, I find religion and race as non-issues in this instance other than their relevance to the credibility of the documents where the same are stated. The U.S. Constitution does not list race and religion as qualifications. The main and only issue here is whether Obama is a "natural born citizen." Considering that the United States follows the principle of jus soli and does not recognize dual citizenship, to me what matters is Obama's place of birth. In my opinion, Obama was born in Kenya by force of circumstance as his mother was unable to come back to the U.S. due to her late pregnancy --- a reason allegedly given by the airline. Stanley Ann Dunham flew back to Hawaii via Seattle and, upon arrival in Hawaii, registered the birth of Obama in Hawaii thereby obtaining a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB). This particular document did not grant Obama the status of "natural born" citizenship under the jus soli principle.

Through the years up until now, this COLB became Obama's "poisonous tree" so much so that on every document that requires a statement of his date and place of birth with an accompanying requirement to provide a birth certificate, such every other document is poisoned and tainted fruit of the poisonous tree. Thus, Obama refused to show and produce "such other documents" including, but not limited to, his scholastic and academic records.

Be it compulsory or voluntarily on Obama's part, many deadlines set on him to produce the documents have passed including the democratic primaries and the general election. Now there is a looming important deadline that he must meet: December 15 when the electors judge him.

I have maintained all along that the burden of proof in this instance rests on Obama's shoulders and good faith. Thus, I consider such procedural issues as "standing, mootness and political doctrine" as irrelevant. The courts including SCOTUS should consider likewise.

The law abhors uncertainties. Thus, we have conclusive presumptions of death after 7 years and, in real property law, we have actions to quiet title.

In the instant case, if Obama does not come up with reliable, credible, incontrovertible and verifiable proof that he is "a natural born U.S. citizen" by DECEMBER 14, 2008, he should be CONCLUSIVELY PRESUMED NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and the Electors of the Electoral College MUST consider him as such on December 15. The Court and Congress shall then act accordingly.

smrstrauss said...

Re: The only thing that Dr. Fukino revealed is the she had examined the original certificate and found it authentic. She never did reveal whether the place of birth was Hawaii or Mombasa.

This is crazy. Go again and take a look at the original certificate, and you will see that it says on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. It says under location of birth Honolulu. It says under island of birth Oahu. It says under county of birth Honolulu.

So, for Dr. Fukino to say that the document was authentic, when it said that he was born in Hawaii, and despite that she had seen something that showed that he was really born in Kenya, would have been a lie and a fraud. If it were ever proven that Obama was born in Kenya, she would be subject to arrest for fraud. Why should she run that risk?

So, what is wrong about the certification of live birth? What makes you believe that it is a fraud? Are you convinced that the officials in Hawaii are lying? If so, why -- they are not Democrats? They were appointed by a Republican governor. And to lie in this case subjects them to arrest for fraud if what they say were ever shown not to be true. They wouldn’t do it.

Obama has shown the only official document that proves his birth in Hawaii (Yes, the state record is the official document. Hospital records are not official and cannot be used in many cases. They are not accepted for example by the state department in getting a passport.)

The other side claims crazy things like his mother traveled to Kenya in the ninth month of pregnancy when you had to get a Yellow Fever shot and there are no photos of her in Kenya. Moreover, they claim that the only reason that there are no official records of Obama's mother being in Kenya in 1961 is that the Kenyan government is part of the conspiracy. This could (very unlikely but COULD) be true, but there is no confirmation of it.

Highly, highly unlikely that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya. Good documentary proof that Obama was born in Hawaii, confirmed by the officials in Hawaii who would face prosecution for fraud if they lied.

Anonymous said...

snrstrauss... Dr. Fukino was very specific when she said to have seen a birth certificate; there was no mention as to the nationally of the birth certificate or any inference that it was Hawaiian. Go back and read her statements again and you will understand…

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

In addition, at the time in question, Hawaii allowed persons born out of the country to be registered; very similar to what is available today…

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

Anonymous said...

smrstrauss... I apologize, the links of my original post did not post correctly.

Hawaiian Statement

Hawaiian Out-of-state birth

Anonymous said...

TO ANONYMOUS:

If Hawaii allows registration of a child born outside of the country to Hawaiian parent(s), that only amounts to "naturalization" but does NOT grant the child "natural born status." This is akin to registration of a child with U.S. embassies abroad.

Under the principle of Federal Preemption, the controlling law here is federal law which includes the U.S. Constitution. Any state law that runs counter to this principle and the constitutional provision is void as unconstitutional.

If Obama was born in Kenya, registered later in Hawaii under the COLB, Obama is NOT a natural born citizen. He may be a naturalized citizen as a result of the COLB, a legal argument that may be of doubtful validity, but lost it when Kenya gained its independence. His Kenyan British citizenship was likewise lost when he was adopted / acknowledged by Lulu Soetoro. He was never formally repatriated for failure to take the oath of allegiance when he went back to Hawaii !

Thus, as of now he may be an Indonesian citizen subject to deportation.

Unknown said...

The statement of Dr. Fukino:

For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO
“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”


This is clearly a very carefully crafted statement. Some observations or questions (on highlighted phrases):

(1) Does Dr. Fukino have a "tangible interest" in the vital record of Obama? If yes, what is it? Doesn't every US citizen (at least voter) have such an interest if Dr. Fukino has one? Is "see[ing]" the certified birth certificate considered a "release"? or must "release" mean giving out a copy?

(2) Dr. Fukino said in the statement that she "have personally seen and verified ... in accordance with state policies and procedures" that Hawai`i "has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate". Note that "in accordance with state policies and procedures" qualifies "verified" and what was verified is the act of "has". Nothing more. There is no mention or confirmation that the Certificate of Life Birth, as released by Obama, is the same document, nor that the original birth certificate was even issued in Hawai`i. It could be that when Obama's mom filed to have the COLB, she had to file the original birth certificate, possibly issued by Kenyan authority, possibly by Hawai`ian authority. It is not known whether his mom filed any application for COLB and it would be interesting to have the application released if she did file it.

(3) No state official has instructed that this vital record be handled any differently than others. Well, there is the possibility that a non-state official has requested a different handling (it was rumored to have been sealed in a vault), or that someone simply handled it differently without being instructed.

When a statement is so carefully crafted and yet does not answer any real question, how can it not raise a suspicion that the statement was deliberately given to mislead?

Unknown said...

According to 338.18, persons who are considered having a tangible interest are:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm

(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:

(1) The registrant;

(2) The spouse of the registrant;

(3) A parent of the registrant;

(4) A descendant of the registrant;

(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;

(6) A legal guardian of the registrant;

(7) A person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant;

(8) A personal representative of the registrant’s estate;

(9) A person whose right to inspect or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction;

(10) Adoptive parents who have filed a petition for adoption and who need to determine the death of one or more of the prospective adopted child’s natural or legal parents;

(11) A person who needs to determine the marital status of a former spouse in order to determine the payment of alimony;

(12) A person who needs to determine the death of a nonrelated co-owner of property purchased under a joint tenancy agreement; and

(13) A person who needs a death certificate for the determination of payments under a credit insurance policy.

I don't see how Dr. Fukino qualifies, unless she has been authorized by Obama (item (7)) to inspect the original birth certificate.

However, see Paragraph (d):

(d) Index data consisting of name and sex of the registrant, type of vital event, and such other data as the director may authorize shall be made available to the public.

All it takes is for the director to authorize "such other data" to make the information available to the public.

smrstrauss said...

Re: She was "very specific when she said to have seen a birth certificate; there was no mention as to the nationally of the birth certificate or any inference that it was Hawaiian. Go back and read her statements again and you will understand…"

Baloney. For her to say that the certification was accurate means that she is saying that the part of the certification that says "born in Honolulu" and "on Oahu" and "in Honolulu county" were all accurate.

Moreover, she has been quoted at a different time as saying that Hawaii does not and has NEVER issued a certification of live birth that says "born in Honolulu" to someone who was not born in Honolulu.


You can now (in 1961 you couldn't) get a Hawaii document saying that the person's birth was registered in Hawaii. But if that person was born in Kenya, it says "born in Kenya" in the place where the listing is "place of birth.


In other words, you have to believe that the officials are lying completely about Obama, and why should they? If they were found to have lied, they would be subject to prosecution for faud -- and of course they would never be appointed to work for a Republican administration again. Why should they lie?

Moreover, the idea that Obama was born in Kenya requires you to believe that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya in the ninth month of pregnancy at a time when you had to get Yellow Fever shots to go to Africa, and that somehow IF she went to Kenya, there are no photos or official records of that fact. Why not? Was she plotting in 1961? Is the Kenya government plotting now? Are the Kenya government and the government of Hawaii both part of the plot?

NO, that is all a fantasy. Sorta like the folks who continue to believe that the US government is hiding the bodies of aliens in Rosewell, NM.

smrstrauss said...

Re: "This is clearly a very carefully crafted statement."

To be sure, the statement was carefully written. (So what? Why should it have been sloppy?)

But why was it carefully written in Obama’s favor? Are these two officials Democrats? (Probably not. They were appointed by a Republican governor.)

Moreover, if it subsequently turns out that Obama was not born in Hawaii or had something in his file along the lines of losing his citizenship, then they, who had said that there was nothing wrong, would be subject to criticism at the very least. They could be accused of being part of a conspiracy, or of a fraud, and at the least they would not get a job in a Republican administration again. So why would they do it?

Thus the officials had absolutely no reason to lie about what they saw in Obama’s file. And they had absolutely no reason to MISLEAD by issuing a statement that implies they saw something more in Obamas file, when all that they saw was the “certificate of live birth.” Their statement implies that they saw something that confirms the certificate of live birth. In fact, they said that they saw his birth certificate.

Some right wing blogs say that the officials saw a KENYAN birth certificate in Obama’s file and are just saying “we saw a birth certificate.” But why should they do even that? They are not Democrats. They know that that to reply “we saw a birth certificate” which has the effect of authenticating a document that says “Obama was born in Honolulu” three times, would inevitably be considered a lie. And, if it was proven that he was born in Kenya, they could be prosecuted for fraud. Why should they run that risk?

All of which indicates beyond a reasonable doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii. Moreover, all the allegations that he was born in Kenya now look pretty empty. They are all predicated on the assumption that Obama’s mother traveled to Kenya in her ninth month of pregnancy, at a time when you needed a Yellow Fever shot to go to Africa, and that there are no photos of her in Kenya with her in-laws, and no photos of Obama with his grandparents, and no official records of his birth in Kenya, and no official Kenyan records of Obama’s mother ever being in Kenya.

TejasKat said...

Hi John!

I, too, say to myself not to spend SO much time on this. But, every day & every night I do more & more research. I am obsessed.

I'm taking online classes, self-paced & have not been to that website in 2 months -- mostly (but not entirely) because of this. :(

Very good synopsis of Obama's early years -- however -- I see you don't include anything about his early family ties to communism, ie: the WA days of his mother, grandparents & Frank Davis Marshall, a columnist, porn writer, photographer, pedophile, a member of the Communist Party, USA and on the FBI Security Index for 19 yrs, oh - and Barack's mentor.

Here are a few links for you to check out:

http://www.usasurvival.org/marshall.fbi.files.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAYWAoSgS0w&feature=related
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation/politics/chi-0703270151mar27-archive,0,91024,full.story

The Law of Attraction Group said...

I think the first paragraph says it all..... I do my best to get away from all of this, even for a long Thanksgiving weekend, and I come back to hundreds of emails that await my return!

Again, I have said this in blogs, to friends, and many times to Barack Obama ('s people), show your silly birth certificate and have all of this go away! It's that simple!

Brett
www.thelawofattractiongroup.com
www.thelawofattractiongroup.wordpress.com

Vicki551 said...

to: SMRStrauss

The Hawai'ian officials said they saw Barack Hussein Obama's 'original birth certificate' in their files. You keep assuming that the Photoshopped version of a Certification of Live Birth that has been posted on the web has accurately depicted the same information as that which is printed on the original certificate on file in Hawai'i. Just because the alleged 'legitimate' copy of the COLB posted on the web SAYS that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Oahu, HI doesn't mean that is what it says on the original vault certificate that the Hawai'ian officials were documenting existed.
As far as any documentation existing in Kenya, Raila Odinga, Obama's alleged cousin, is Prime Minister and would most certainly have the incentive and power to hide or destroy ANY and ALL documentation that existed about his birth in that country. If there are no records of his birth there, why are the records sealed? It would be in Obama's interest to prove his case that he wasn't born there to have the records open for investigation. A lot of people would spend a lot of time on a wild goose chase looking for records that don't exist.
If there's NOTHING to hide, why seal ALL the records from birth to school?

smrstrauss said...

Re: "show your silly birth certificate and have all of this go away! It's that simple!"

He HAS shown his birth certificate. The certification of live birth is the official relevant document of the State of Hawaii. It says on it (three times) that Obama was born in Hawaii. The officials of the state of Hawaii have subsequently issued a statement saying that the document is accurate, meaning that the place of birth shown on it (Honolulu)is accurate.

This fellow puts it better than I can:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
|
It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

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smrstrauss said...

Re: "You keep assuming that the Photoshopped version of a Certification of Live Birth that has been posted on the web has accurately depicted the same information as that which is printed on the original certificate on file in Hawai'i. Just because the alleged 'legitimate' copy of the COLB posted on the web SAYS that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Oahu, HI doesn't mean that is what it says on the original vault certificate that the Hawai'ian officials were documenting existed."

In addition to the officials in Hawaii having confirmed that they found a document or documents in Obama's file showing that the FACT of Obama being born in Honolulu is accurate, they also were shown an image of the physical document (twice, by FactCheck and by Polifact), and they confirmed that it was accurate.

This fellow puts it better than I can:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden

It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

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smrstrauss said...

Re: "I don't see how Dr. Fukino qualifies, unless she has been authorized by Obama (item (7)) to inspect the original birth certificate."

Now you are getting into another issue. It may be that Dr. Fukino broke Hawaii law by disclosing that there is a document in Obama's files that shows he was born in Hawaii. (Hawaii has not charged her with anything, so most likely she did NOT break the law.)

But that is not the issue. The only issue is whether what she said is true. IF it is false.IF she broke the law to look into the file and then said something false about it, she is in even deeper trouble. So why should she lie?

In fact, the situation explains the "carefully crafted" statement. Obviously it was so carefully crafted that the officials who issued it have not been charged with violating any law, and yet the statement gives the clear impression that Obama's documents prove that he was born in Hawaii.

Why should they do that if it were not the case? Remember, they are members of a Republican governor's administration.

This fellow puts it better than I can:

A posting from Andrew Walden, publisher of the Hawaii Free Press, a right-wing blog based in Hawaii.

http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx

Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i
by Andrew Walden
|
It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones.

A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard-left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu.

Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement.

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smrstrauss said...

Re: "As far as any documentation existing in Kenya, Raila Odinga, Obama's alleged cousin, is Prime Minister and would most certainly have the incentive and power to hide or destroy ANY and ALL documentation that existed about his birth in that country. If there are no records of his birth there, why are the records sealed?"

ONLY Corsi and WND have claimed that the Kenyan government sealed any files or destroyed any documents.

IF there was any confirming evidence that this was taking place, it is highly likely that somebody would have gone to the AP or UPI or AFP or Time or Newsweek, or the US embassy, or the US chamber of commerce in Kenya, and told them "Hey! Some records relating to Obama, such as the records of Obama's mother being in Kenya, have been sealed."

Not a word. Only Corsi and WND say that anything in the way of special seals on files is going on. And, of course, if Obama's mother had never been in Kenya, there would not be a file to be sealed.

Why no photos of infant Obama with his grandparents or Obama's mother with her in-laws in Kenya? Did Odinga destroy these too? (If so, don't you think that the family would have told somebody about it?)

This situation sounds like the nut who was convinced that the government had implanted a radio in his head to control his thoughts. So a friend took him to have an MRI, which naturally showed that there was no radio in his head.

But the nut was not convinced. He said “Ah! But can you prove that that is really an MRI of me?” So they called in the MRI operator, who certified that that MRI was the MRI of the nut. But the nut was still not convinced. He said: “He certifies that that MRI is an MRI of me. But how do we know that he is not working for the government?”

smrstrauss said...

In case anyone missed the news today:

Barack Obama
Supreme Court Declines to Hear Obama Nationality Case
By Robert Barnes
Washington Post, Dec. 8


The Supreme Court this morning unceremoniously declined to hear an emergency appeal from a man who claimed President-elect Barack Obama is not qualified for the presidency because he is not a "natural-born" citizen.

The court without comment declined to hear "Donofrio v. Wells," a suit that had attempted to keep Obama off the New Jersey ballot. Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick had claimed Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time.

Just to be nonpartisan about it, Donofrio also contended that Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero also were not natural-born citizens and should have been kept off the ballot.

The case had little chance at the high court, but became the subject of a tremendous amount of speculation and debate on ideological political blogs.

Right-wing blogs were outraged when Justice David H. Souter denied Donofrio's petition for an injunction, and left-wing blogs smelled trouble when Justice Clarence Thomas referred the matter to the full court for consideration.

In fact, both were routine procedures, as the court's action today shows. There were no recorded dissents to the decision dismissing the case.

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smrstrauss said...

In case anyone missed the news today:

Barack Obama
Supreme Court Declines to Hear Obama Nationality Case
By Robert Barnes
Washington Post, Dec. 8


The Supreme Court this morning unceremoniously declined to hear an emergency appeal from a man who claimed President-elect Barack Obama is not qualified for the presidency because he is not a "natural-born" citizen.

The court without comment declined to hear "Donofrio v. Wells," a suit that had attempted to keep Obama off the New Jersey ballot. Leo Donofrio of East Brunswick had claimed Obama had dual nationality at birth, because of his Kansas-born mother and his Kenyan-born father, who was a British subject at the time.

Just to be nonpartisan about it, Donofrio also contended that Republican Sen. John McCain (Ariz.) and Socialist Workers candidate Roger Calero also were not natural-born citizens and should have been kept off the ballot.

The case had little chance at the high court, but became the subject of a tremendous amount of speculation and debate on ideological political blogs.

Right-wing blogs were outraged when Justice David H. Souter denied Donofrio's petition for an injunction, and left-wing blogs smelled trouble when Justice Clarence Thomas referred the matter to the full court for consideration.

In fact, both were routine procedures, as the court's action today shows. There were no recorded dissents to the decision dismissing the case.